Cutt Off

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Barely a month after German social housing software provider Aareon is sold off, another significant supplier to the sector and local councils, changing hands. At least a couple of customers contacted me and said they were dismayed at seemingly not even being informed of the planned sale.

This week Capita announced that they will be shedding ‘Capita One’, the home of OpenContractor, OneHousing, Education management solutions and ex-IBS OpenHousing. (not Irritable Bowel Syndrome, for latecomers to the sector, however it could at times create nearly similar effects!). For £207m, MRI the US Real Estate Asset Management specialist, via its Orchard entity nets several hundred new account numbers to add into its Sales Ledger and chart of accounts. The process is set to complete in August if no CMA (Competition and Markets Authority) challenges are encountered. I would say one was pretty likely as this effectively consolidates two of the remaining medium-large social housing solutions, with a single dominating supplier.

MRI is used to UK housing solutions acquisition, having consumed Castleton, Orchard & Housing Partners, over the last few years. However, I would wonder if the non-housing parts of this deal, such as Education management, will be quietly disposed of, one the dust settles

The media release blurb tells us, “MRI Software is a leading provider of real estate software solutions that transform the way communities live, work and play. The Buyer intends to support Capita One’s growth plans and further develop its product portfolio and customer base.”

Capita have recently been coming back to the market for some new housing system procurements with a fully web based housing product. OH to OneHousing not quite a quick lift and shift however, as a few sites appear to be finding. Potentially, MRI moving old legacy Orchard customers to OneHousing, could well be a much cheaper option than completing the latest re-tread for the former that’s underway. MRI still seem to have a gap for a modern Cloud/browser solution for small-medium RSLs/RPs. Newer challengers look to continue hoovering these ex-Kypera sites for at the the next few years then.

It will be interesting as ever in these cases how Capita helpdesk’s and account management will be consumed. Will slightly sub-optimal current service be impacted or can it be possibly improved ?

If you are a contact with one or more of these products currently, feel free to get in touch to chat or maybe explore future options.

Read the full statement here.

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I Bought A Headache

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Suspects, there were many

After a few rumours that have been circulating since their Yuneo solution had its plug pulled, back last year, one of the well known #socialhousing solution providers has now changed hands. In the end it wasn't MRI , SAP or dinosaur system slayer Simon Reay, with the deep pockets. Aareal Bank and Advent International, are to sell Aareon (mainly) to TPG for approximately € 3.9 billion, so quite a payday for a few directors one would expect. Canadian investment outfit CDPQ are a minor investor too. Closing of this deal is expected to take place in the second half of this year (2024), subject to the usual customary closing competition conditions and approvals.

It should be noted that Texas Pacific Group (TPG Capital) are not a big software house (like MRI), they are investors.

So that includes Aareon UK, home to product such as QLX, QLF, Arthur, 1st Touch mobile (now “Digital Solutions by Aareon”), Fixflo etc. Many sites & some councils will have one or more of these solutions, which were big sellers in many procurements for some years prior to 2020. Products in the marketplace have moved on significantly though and some of the new entrants are snapping away successfully at the smaller Aareon sites. In the medium to large provider space, many are looking now to native browser and Cloud solutions, Salesforce, D365 etc, that still retain convenient and secure access to data.

The press release talks lots about ‘innovation for customers in the European housing ecosystem’ & ‘on a path of sustainable growth with exciting opportunities ahead for all stakeholders’. That’s got a feel for me of potential exciting dividends for stakeholders, it will be interesting to see how Aareon customers react to this development, if support and other costs rise, service delivered improves or goes backwards for UK housing associations, charities and councils.

Aareon staff have clearly been briefed to talk up the possibility of going ‘into an optimistic growth phase’. Its hard to work out how that might be achieved via sales with potentially sub-optimal product, based on the recent few years. Maybe some bargains may be trotted out here, or LinkedIn will flag up more royal staff, looking for other situations vacant. If I were TPG, I would be looking for decent returns within three years. Investors are brutal, that’s why they are successful.

Here is the standard press release I saw here from Business Insider

If you are a contact with one or more of these products currently, feel free to get in touch to chat or maybe explore future options.

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Victim Of Changes, Progress (the database)?

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We all try to stay ahead of the curve. No sooner we have Windows 7, we have Windows 10, then 11. It’s a constant fight to stay current and protected. 

The Silverlight support deadline has been & gone. Woe betide any Socialhousing organisations still on Keystone asset management cowering behind their firewall.

One de-support notice that might have passed your attention however, is the close of Progress OpenEdge database version 11.7, next April 2025. Apache Tomcat 8.5 security support has already ended, back in March 2024. While from April Progress based solutions will still operate, however will no longer receive security updates and patches. While not generally web facing, that reduces but not totally eliminates risk.

Progress, very much a database of the 1980’s and mid-90’s still has a large footprint in UK Social Housing. This is due to the number of IBS/Capital OpenHousing and MRI/Orchard housing systems still in use and the large footprint of openAccounts as finance solution, often sold with those solutions. Of course a lot of folk are looking to the market to research alternatives, some with housing/Finance combined.

The sector does have a severe problem with not keeping application solutions up to date. Of course this is not limited to the above examples. I have found it endemic across many applications, regardless of contracts attempting (but generally failing) to enforce frequent upgrades.

Many users will be expected to be way behind with versions of OpenAccounts, Pro2, Ebis, OpenPeople as well as housing solutions.

While there is a good nine months to upgrade, bear in mind that many dozens of sites will need to take this leap and also a year-end will sit in the way of finance users. So how if you are a site affected by this, to move forward smoothly?

Getting across to Progress Version 12 is crucial and a pre-cursor is to get upgraded to MRI Orchard’s latest version, in order to be Progress v12 ready. This will be more clunky for organisations many versions behind. This will involve applying a number of incremental versions with attendant testing/UAT. Interfaces are the most important areas to concentrate on, in addition to any local development outside of what’s supported as supplier IP. Although often helpdesks fall down in spectacular manner!

For OpenAccounts, the target needs to be v10.1 – If this can be achieved by late summer, this would be ideal. Where existing users are still on OA versions 8 or 9, it’s a heavier upgrade path. Getting up to v10.1 will then provide Progress v12 compatibility.

Where Orchard/OpenHousing is used in conjunction with openAccounts, there are bound to be dependencies. Be sure to check these out in detail with whoever supports your solutions.

This all kind of underlines the good sense of upgrading often where you can. You know it makes sense!

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Finally

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All things come to an end they sometimes say, some others barely ever get started (as some new sensations don't)!

It nudged my memory last week when hearing that the classic Oracle based Open Housing Management Systems (OHMS) has finally been announced as ‘end of life’ and de-supported after March 2026. If you still have OHMS and many do, particularly smaller local councils, you need to move fast as that end of 2025/26 death-date will soon be upon us.

For anyone new to the OHMS story, it originated as created by Groupe Bull HN, the French ICT company. Not being a brilliant company name for the UK, legend has it that an all day meeting was set up for executives in an office near Slough, to come up with a much better name. No inspiration was coming, and at 7:30pm pizza’s were ordered in, as is traditional. By about nine-ish, everyone felt they had enough and one bloke thinking about his 4 hour drive back to Manchester said, ‘Shall we call it a night’ ?

…and as they say, the rest was history!

Anite was acquired by Northgate (now NEC) around 2008/9, who already had an Oracle based Socialhousing Housing Management System (First Housing, iWorld, anyone remember those?). I have migrated data from those in the distant past, in fact a FirstHousing from a site in Scotland, was my very first back in 1999.

Northgate turned Japanese in 2018, when NEC bought it up.

When larger operators (MRI, Civica, OneAdvanced etc) hoover up smaller solutions, its often more about acquiring new customers, rather than any big masterplan. Now nobody likes to be hoovered up and just be a number in someone’s sales ledger, do they? Even worse, buying up a solution and quickly thinking clients will just roll over and migrate to another product from the group, rarely works (EG OpenHousing/Academy , Saffron/Universal Housing etc).

Northgate did originally put a UK death date on OHMS of 2013, although the stampede of annoyed sites rushing to procure put paid to that quite quickly. 

I helped my first OHMS site go to market and implement successfully back in late 2012. Since then, some have gone to market or decided to look at the other Northgate/NEC products and sometimes undertake an ‘upgrade’ staying with their supplier. Several options are available.

So, what options are available and should some urgency be applied?

Well, considering a legal procurement, even on a CCS framework might take 3-6 months, that means an implementation would start perhaps in Oct 2024. Migration & implementation of a core of Estates/Rents/Repairs from OHMS may take a total of 12-20+ months. Timeline does depend on many factors, including size & expertise of clients team, as well as capacity/bottlenecks/priorities applied by selected preferred bidder supplier. An internal DLO or application waiting lists etc, do add additional complication.

This might just get you live before the OHMS de-support date. So, as contracts often state, “time is of the essence”.

From being involved with a few of these in South West England and South Wales, I know there are also other factors often at work. As these old solutions are generally on-premise, they often sit on old Solaris hardware server kit, great in their day, but expensive now and with fragile old components.

Your ICT Cyber/security team staff might have already identified this hardware as posing security risks or potential vulnerabilities. This might add additional priority.

Having had OHMS for maybe 25 years+ it will have been a while since anyone looked at the marketplace. While there is no integral mobile with OHMS, that is a reality in the modern world. How do you go about that in a structured fashion? Often a suitably experienced Critical Friend who specialises in social housing can be a great addition to your procurement colleagues. That addition can help you navigate the journey of assessing new exciting options and also understanding what a migration path from existing supplier might pan out like.

As a council & socialhousing Critical Friend who has worked with many organisations & local authorities right across the UK and Southern Ireland wanting to move from older or approaching obsolete solutions, I also work to help at implementation time too. Knowledge transfer from other projects provide useful unique insights. For example, while migrating currently from OHMS for a South Wales council, those lessons learned benefit all my NEC based customers.

Whatever route is taken, its essential in my opinion to maintain excellent relations with your current supplier, particularly during migration. Don’t underestimate challenges that even migrating from one of your suppliers products to another might bring. The right Critical Friend can help you there adding value and also setting appropriate expectations for client and supplier.

So, if you are a current OHMS user, don’t dawdle the clock is ticking. April 2026 will race up sooner than anyone realises !

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Watch that man

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I was in a client meeting the other week when I noticed a heavy Rolex (probably a Datejust with a mad cyclops eye) on the left wrist of an account manager, who had just finished pitching his latest & greatest product version. 

One product that I personally mentally compared with similar solutions in my head and recent pricing experienced. I found the offering expensive and wondered if there was too much commission floating around here. Is my client paying too much for this based on the bling ?

I’m proud to not have (or had), any commission links with suppliers I have worked with and many will probably confirm that I have turned down dozens of offers over the years. I am proud to not be in any pocket and in many situations advised suppliers to reduce their submitted prices by whatever commission they might have paid me. I think my clients pay me very well, so I should save them as much money, time and hassle I possibly can. Commission that might buy a nice Rolex, could improve four residents lives with improved kitchens or bathrooms. On quite a few occasions I have argued the point and been asked, "Tony why are you digging in for just 20 grand?". My answer very honestly is, "well that buys quite a lot of home Capital improvements for those residents, you just queued up with in reception with". I'm proud to have have lived in stable social housing during my childhood. Maybe it will provide others with some of the opportunities I had.

Now to be honest, I would not probably accept a Rolex if it was gifted to me. Unless it’s a pre-1950s model, personally I find them a bit ugly personally, maybe vulgar. I’m more of a 70’s GMT, Nomos or Sinn bloke myself. From vintage times a 60’s Minu-stop parking meter or 50’s Vulcain Cricket is more likely to float my boat. 

Having had a serious car accident I luckily walked away from) in the late 1990’s, my left wrist is about one inch thinner than my right-hand one. So bulky watch bracelets are somewhat problematic for me. Another reason a chunky Rolexes are not in my wheelhouse. Maybe my non-profit or charitable clients would come to the conclusion I am doing too well on the back of this work too!

If you are selling them, jewelers I am sure would say a Rolex watch makes an important statement. “In the competitive business world, appearance is one of the keys to success. The best businessmen and women gear their minds toward reaching their goals, and they know that they have to dress the part in the boardroom, at lunch and dinner meetings, while traveling, and on the golf course”.

In contrast, if you are a salesperson selling into socialhousing or councils, perhaps you don’t particularly flaunt stuff like this. Maybe stick with a decent Seiko. Even a GS (Grand Seiko) doesn’t actually look blingy, who might know you have eight grand of Hi-Beat watch on your wrist -    on your wrist?

These days, do we even need a watch on our wrist? Its a lifestyle choice if its beyond a step counter eh?

Well, not really – we are surrounded by clocks. In fact in the West, our lives are dominated by clocks, being on time, alarms and of course the internet synchronised time of the internet. How boring. When I am not busy at work or time-restricted I often wear a single-hand Meistersinger, which really slows you down. Mine does, because the day is just ‘today’ in seven languages. Someone did once ask me, why its not so easy a watch to read to the minute. My answer was, "When we are working together, I'd rather concentrate on what we are doing, not knowing the exact time I should clock off!"

Maybe we would be better to not be so much clock watchers or using our jeweler to demonstrate how brilliant we are. Its not all about dates & times, its about what we deliver and for what cost.

If your organisation is looking for best value in systems,

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David Bowie - Watch That Man.
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